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	<title>Comments on: Dojo: Twice As Fast When It Matters Most</title>
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		<title>By: Gonzalo</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237310</link>
		<dc:creator>Gonzalo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seems to, and now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems to, and now?</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237306</link>
		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 00:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jQuery 1.4.2 is now available.

http://ajax.microsoft.com/ajax/jQuery/jquery-1.4.2.min.js

Is it faster than Dojo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jQuery 1.4.2 is now available.</p>
<p><a href="http://ajax.microsoft.com/ajax/jQuery/jquery-1.4.2.min.js" rel="nofollow">http://ajax.microsoft.com/ajax/jQuery/jquery-1.4.2.min.js</a></p>
<p>Is it faster than Dojo?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah G</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237302</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still haven&#039;t seen these JQuery performance improvements released yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still haven&#8217;t seen these JQuery performance improvements released yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete B</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237086</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to second @Tony

The whole my library is faster than yours is a bit anal, especially considering querySelectorAll is now widley implemented.

jQuery won the popularity contest a long time ago; but it isn&#039;t the best choice for every situation, or suited to every programming style preference so live and let live library fanboys</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to second @Tony</p>
<p>The whole my library is faster than yours is a bit anal, especially considering querySelectorAll is now widley implemented.</p>
<p>jQuery won the popularity contest a long time ago; but it isn&#8217;t the best choice for every situation, or suited to every programming style preference so live and let live library fanboys</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Issakov</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237081</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Issakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 07:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dojo and jQuery are both amazing tools yet neither satisfies everything all the time. And why should they.. They&#039;re targeting different markets if you get back to their roots.

Watching the community in general though is like watching an argument about .Net vs Java. My apple is a much better apple compared to your orange.... uhh? 

I really felt like the JS community was growing up when I heard both Alex and John on the same podcast telling the world we can do more and do it better.

I can understand why Alex wants the world to pay attention to dojo. If I hear one more JS user (or more recently rails developer) tell me &quot;Dojo is slow and bloated...oh but I&#039;ve never seen it or used it&quot;, I&#039;ll slap them. Such blanket statements with so little to back it up and so little understanding of the code they make claims about.

I admire that John pushes for personal bests but I think he might also understand how I and possibly Alex feel when a community filled ignorant unfounded statements needs a graph to show them their claims may need some rethinking.

I don&#039;t care who is fastest at any one moment. Only that there is real competition, that everyone is striving for it and innovating along the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dojo and jQuery are both amazing tools yet neither satisfies everything all the time. And why should they.. They&#8217;re targeting different markets if you get back to their roots.</p>
<p>Watching the community in general though is like watching an argument about .Net vs Java. My apple is a much better apple compared to your orange&#8230;. uhh? </p>
<p>I really felt like the JS community was growing up when I heard both Alex and John on the same podcast telling the world we can do more and do it better.</p>
<p>I can understand why Alex wants the world to pay attention to dojo. If I hear one more JS user (or more recently rails developer) tell me &#8220;Dojo is slow and bloated&#8230;oh but I&#8217;ve never seen it or used it&#8221;, I&#8217;ll slap them. Such blanket statements with so little to back it up and so little understanding of the code they make claims about.</p>
<p>I admire that John pushes for personal bests but I think he might also understand how I and possibly Alex feel when a community filled ignorant unfounded statements needs a graph to show them their claims may need some rethinking.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care who is fastest at any one moment. Only that there is real competition, that everyone is striving for it and innovating along the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Eran</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237055</link>
		<dc:creator>Eran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is - matters most for what? it has been my experience for most tasks on modern computers it is very rare to experience a performance issue nowadays. Aside from obvious pitfalls such as extreme looping or working on many nodes simultaneously, there is no performance concern to speak of.

In my opinion the choice of framework should depend on the API, extendability, support, community and documentation. Performance is not really a concern anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is &#8211; matters most for what? it has been my experience for most tasks on modern computers it is very rare to experience a performance issue nowadays. Aside from obvious pitfalls such as extreme looping or working on many nodes simultaneously, there is no performance concern to speak of.</p>
<p>In my opinion the choice of framework should depend on the API, extendability, support, community and documentation. Performance is not really a concern anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237049</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Les: &#039;cause nobody has sent Pete a patch?</description>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237048</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim: you probably should ping Pete Higgins about that, or better yet, send him a patch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim: you probably should ping Pete Higgins about that, or better yet, send him a patch.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237047</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John

When can we expect 1.4.2 of JQuery to be released.

I always welcome performance improvements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John</p>
<p>When can we expect 1.4.2 of JQuery to be released.</p>
<p>I always welcome performance improvements.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237046</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex, why are you using a waaaaaaay old version of QOOXDOO? In TaskSpeed, it only has QOOXDOO version 0.8.

Version 1.0.1 is the current release.

http://news.qooxdoo.org/qooxdoo-1-0-1-released</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex, why are you using a waaaaaaay old version of QOOXDOO? In TaskSpeed, it only has QOOXDOO version 0.8.</p>
<p>Version 1.0.1 is the current release.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.qooxdoo.org/qooxdoo-1-0-1-released" rel="nofollow">http://news.qooxdoo.org/qooxdoo-1-0-1-released</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237045</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like QOOXDOO kicks all other frameworks butt for pure speed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like QOOXDOO kicks all other frameworks butt for pure speed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake McGraw</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237044</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake McGraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://twitpic.com/10bcfa/full

jQuery has reached a saturation point now where it is often the default choice for client side application development. The momentum behind it and the number of developers who enjoy using it far outweighs any marginal performance differences.

John has spoken out against in-browser speed tests for almost two years now. The fact that he could knock out jQuery 1.4.2pre in less than 24 hours and invalidate your test results makes this post and the Dojo home page changes appear completely pointless and needlessly confrontational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://twitpic.com/10bcfa/full" rel="nofollow">http://twitpic.com/10bcfa/full</a></p>
<p>jQuery has reached a saturation point now where it is often the default choice for client side application development. The momentum behind it and the number of developers who enjoy using it far outweighs any marginal performance differences.</p>
<p>John has spoken out against in-browser speed tests for almost two years now. The fact that he could knock out jQuery 1.4.2pre in less than 24 hours and invalidate your test results makes this post and the Dojo home page changes appear completely pointless and needlessly confrontational.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237043</link>
		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, you work for Google.  Is there a reason why Google Closure is not included in TaskSpeed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, you work for Google.  Is there a reason why Google Closure is not included in TaskSpeed?</p>
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		<title>By: Shane O'Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237041</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane O'Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rutuaj,

There&#039;s no strangling going on here.  As you can see, the simple act of putting this out there has spurred another open source project to better itself.  And no doubt Dojo will respond with a similar action.  

This is friendly competition, in which everyone wins.  And it&#039;s great to see.

Thanks

Shane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rutuaj,</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no strangling going on here.  As you can see, the simple act of putting this out there has spurred another open source project to better itself.  And no doubt Dojo will respond with a similar action.  </p>
<p>This is friendly competition, in which everyone wins.  And it&#8217;s great to see.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Shane</p>
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		<title>By: Ruturaj Vartak</title>
		<link>http://infrequently.org/2010/01/dojo-still-twice-as-fast-when-it-matters-most/comment-page-1/#comment-237035</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruturaj Vartak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@alex: I agree either ways the competition is going to bring out the best of the libs :)

@John: I personally use jQuery, but in business need to force hard in competition.

Having said that, @alex, Hope free-open-source doesn&#039;t strangle its own siblings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@alex: I agree either ways the competition is going to bring out the best of the libs <img src='http://infrequently.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@John: I personally use jQuery, but in business need to force hard in competition.</p>
<p>Having said that, @alex, Hope free-open-source doesn&#8217;t strangle its own siblings!</p>
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