Comments on: Big Questions On IE8′s Big Progress http://infrequently.org/2008/02/big-questions-on-ie8s-big-progress/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:30:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: alex http://infrequently.org/2008/02/big-questions-on-ie8s-big-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-231779 alex Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:32:33 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=647#comment-231779 Ugg. I moderated a comment wrong. Alex Mogilevsky wrote: <blockquote> Great questions, and I really hope more people and products get serious about adding information to web content that tells the browser what is the proper way to render it. Now IE8 vs. FF3 may look like an enormous difference, but think of what software will have to do 10 year, or why not 100 years from now… Considering the range of content sources that will exist then, just being pointed at a date range of a couple of years is a blessing! In fact, the more we know about a page the better. The whole idea of a version tag comes not from a page being “tied to” a browser but rather being “tested with”. It is fine to specify any number of platforms and versions, the browser should choose the best it can render. That of course means meta doesn’t “overrule” http header. Both apply. Will it be a standard? I think it should. If it does become a standard it may very well look different from “X-UA-Compatible” – we arrived to that one having constraints of maintaining valid HTML under current standards and being friendly to legacy tools… But of course for being a standard it needs a broad acceptance from multiple companies. Let’s see how fast it gets there... </blockquote> Ugg. I moderated a comment wrong.

Alex Mogilevsky wrote:

Great questions, and I really hope more people and products get serious about adding information to web content that tells the browser what is the proper way to render it. Now IE8 vs. FF3 may look like an enormous difference, but think of what software will have to do 10 year, or why not 100 years from now… Considering the range of content sources that will exist then, just being pointed at a date range of a couple of years is a blessing!

In fact, the more we know about a page the better. The whole idea of a version tag comes not from a page being “tied to” a browser but rather being “tested with”. It is fine to specify any number of platforms and versions, the browser should choose the best it can render.

That of course means meta doesn’t “overrule” http header. Both apply.

Will it be a standard? I think it should. If it does become a standard it may very well look different from “X-UA-Compatible” – we arrived to that one having constraints of maintaining valid HTML under current standards and being friendly to legacy tools… But of course for being a standard it needs a broad acceptance from multiple companies. Let’s see how fast it gets there…

]]> By: André Tagesgeld http://infrequently.org/2008/02/big-questions-on-ie8s-big-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-231765 André Tagesgeld Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:56:38 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=647#comment-231765 Hi, I totally agree with your post, MS needs to clarify. I think, that the HTTP-Header will overrule the Meta-Statement, as well as X-Robot Tags overrule other Metas. So your first question can be answered with "HTTP-Header overrules Meta" - quite sure about that Hi,
I totally agree with your post, MS needs to clarify. I think, that the HTTP-Header will overrule the Meta-Statement, as well as X-Robot Tags overrule other Metas. So your first question can be answered with “HTTP-Header overrules Meta” – quite sure about that

]]> By: Matt Wilcox http://infrequently.org/2008/02/big-questions-on-ie8s-big-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-228441 Matt Wilcox Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:27:05 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=647#comment-228441 @ Erik Indeed I saw below. It makes a nice point about whether standards matter right now or not (did make me grin). But it's not pro-active in getting the web sorted out, and as the entire debate is about making things better for the future... @ Erik

Indeed I saw below. It makes a nice point about whether standards matter right now or not (did make me grin). But it’s not pro-active in getting the web sorted out, and as the entire debate is about making things better for the future…

]]> By: Erik Arvidsson http://infrequently.org/2008/02/big-questions-on-ie8s-big-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-228174 Erik Arvidsson Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:32:41 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=647#comment-228174 Personally I'm very split about this. I'm very concerned that with IE9 they would realize that people that use IE=edge will scream and shout that the pages that they have written working around and making use of IE8 bugs will no longer work as they expected and Microsoft would then add a IE=edge-this-time-I-mean it... where will this mess end? Matt: Re validation... see below... :-) Personally I’m very split about this. I’m very concerned that with IE9 they would realize that people that use IE=edge will scream and shout that the pages that they have written working around and making use of IE8 bugs will no longer work as they expected and Microsoft would then add a IE=edge-this-time-I-mean it… where will this mess end?

Matt: Re validation… see below… :-)

]]> By: occident.us » Blog Archive » links for 2008-01-24 http://infrequently.org/2008/02/big-questions-on-ie8s-big-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-228044 occident.us » Blog Archive » links for 2008-01-24 Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:20:09 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=647#comment-228044 [...] Big Questions On IE8’s Big Progress Good practical questions. Good to remember that the IE team isn’t doing this because they hate you, they’re doing it because they think it will be useful. Whether they’re correct or not remains to be seen… (tags: ie8 renderlock x-ua-compatible) [...] [...] Big Questions On IE8’s Big Progress Good practical questions. Good to remember that the IE team isn’t doing this because they hate you, they’re doing it because they think it will be useful. Whether they’re correct or not remains to be seen… (tags: ie8 renderlock x-ua-compatible) [...]

]]> By: kL http://infrequently.org/2008/02/big-questions-on-ie8s-big-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-227960 kL Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:23:29 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=647#comment-227960 I don't think its sane. We would have IE7 bugs gone after IE7 is gone. Now we're stuck with them forever (because you can't seriously count on everyone knowing about this tag, caring to insert it or using tools/CMS that adds it). I don’t think its sane. We would have IE7 bugs gone after IE7 is gone. Now we’re stuck with them forever (because you can’t seriously count on everyone knowing about this tag, caring to insert it or using tools/CMS that adds it).

]]> By: Matt Wilcox http://infrequently.org/2008/02/big-questions-on-ie8s-big-progress/comment-page-1/#comment-227852 Matt Wilcox Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:39:25 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=647#comment-227852 I agree, I'd like to see a little more detail on how this is actually going to work too. I'll be starting to use the new tag immediately - I don't see any reason not to. I hope that in addition to the meta tag they require a valid page before triggering IE8 mode. More on my thoughts on why that'd be good for everyone on my blog post, as I don't think you'd appreciate such a large tangent of a comment: http://mattwilcox.net/archive/entry/id/956/ I agree, I’d like to see a little more detail on how this is actually going to work too. I’ll be starting to use the new tag immediately – I don’t see any reason not to.

I hope that in addition to the meta tag they require a valid page before triggering IE8 mode. More on my thoughts on why that’d be good for everyone on my blog post, as I don’t think you’d appreciate such a large tangent of a comment:

http://mattwilcox.net/archive/entry/id/956/

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