Comments on: The Virtual Life: IE At Arms Length http://infrequently.org/2006/10/ie-at-arms-length/ Thu, 10 May 2012 17:22:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Internet Explorer 6 en 7 naast elkaar met Virtual PC | Scriptorama http://infrequently.org/2006/10/ie-at-arms-length/comment-page-1/#comment-62607 Internet Explorer 6 en 7 naast elkaar met Virtual PC | Scriptorama Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:42:43 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=588#comment-62607 [...] Alex Russel (Dojo Toolkit) legt behoorlijk overtuigend uit waarom virtueel testen beter is dan de standalone hacks te gebruiken. In het kort: standalones kunnen vrijwel nooit draaien als 'native' IE-installaties. IE is per definitie afhankelijk is van systeemcomponenten als Winsock en Windows Scripting Host, ook de standalones. Draai je dus niet dezelfde Windows-versie en patch-level als je test-doelgroep dan kun je verschillen in gedrag verwachten. [...] [...] Alex Russel (Dojo Toolkit) legt behoorlijk overtuigend uit waarom virtueel testen beter is dan de standalone hacks te gebruiken. In het kort: standalones kunnen vrijwel nooit draaien als ‘native’ IE-installaties. IE is per definitie afhankelijk is van systeemcomponenten als Winsock en Windows Scripting Host, ook de standalones. Draai je dus niet dezelfde Windows-versie en patch-level als je test-doelgroep dan kun je verschillen in gedrag verwachten. [...]

]]> By: SitePoint Blogs » Test You Site in IE6 The Right Way—With a Free VPC Image from Microsoft http://infrequently.org/2006/10/ie-at-arms-length/comment-page-1/#comment-61605 SitePoint Blogs » Test You Site in IE6 The Right Way—With a Free VPC Image from Microsoft Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:54:30 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=588#comment-61605 [...] As I have noted many times, the standalone Internet Explorer implementations are hacks that are best avoided. Alex Russell, leader of the Dojo project, explains the reasons quite eloquently. The recommended practice is to use Microsoft Virtual PC to run IE6 in a virtual environment. Which, for some, was a bit of an issue as it required another license for Windows—not everyone is blessed with an MSDN subscription. [...] [...] As I have noted many times, the standalone Internet Explorer implementations are hacks that are best avoided. Alex Russell, leader of the Dojo project, explains the reasons quite eloquently. The recommended practice is to use Microsoft Virtual PC to run IE6 in a virtual environment. Which, for some, was a bit of an issue as it required another license for Windows—not everyone is blessed with an MSDN subscription. [...]

]]> By: Scott http://infrequently.org/2006/10/ie-at-arms-length/comment-page-1/#comment-50109 Scott Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:15:48 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=588#comment-50109 Hey Alex, I posted this on Ajaxian,  This may help. How to run IE V7 RC1 in standalone mode. http://tredosoft.com/IE7_standalone How to install multilple version of IE ( IE3, IE4.01, IE5, IE 5.5 and IE6 ) http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE. Tom Trenka from dojotoolkit said the following: <blockquote>Scott, you missed the point: it’s not enough to run multiple versions of IE in the same OS, since a lot of the functionality in IE is based on standalone COM+ objects. How would you, for instance, test against different versions of the MSXML component with that setup (bearing in mind that that’s where XMLHTTP actually lives)? </blockquote> Here is my response: <blockquote>Tom, The suggestion isn’t perfect and does have it’s inherent problems but for the most part it should work as the installations are in separate directories containing the required DLL’s. The individual browser version work due to DLL redirection which was introduced with Win 2000. For reference: IE4 had the first version of the MSXML Parser (1.0). IE5 had the next version (2.0). From then until Version 3.0 you had to have IE5 to install those MSXML versions. From MSXML 3.0 forward the license doesn’t require IE5 for installation. </blockquote> Hey Alex,
I posted this on Ajaxian,  This may help.

How to run IE V7 RC1 in standalone mode.
http://tredosoft.com/IE7_standalone

How to install multilple version of IE ( IE3, IE4.01, IE5, IE 5.5 and IE6 )
http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE.

Tom Trenka from dojotoolkit said the following:

Scott, you missed the point: it’s not enough to run multiple versions of IE in the same OS, since a lot of the functionality in IE is based on standalone COM+ objects. How would you, for instance, test against different versions of the MSXML component with that setup (bearing in mind that that’s where XMLHTTP actually lives)?

Here is my response:

Tom,
The suggestion isn’t perfect and does have it’s inherent problems but for the most part it should work as the installations are in separate directories containing the required DLL’s. The individual browser version work due to DLL redirection which was introduced with Win 2000.

For reference: IE4 had the first version of the MSXML Parser (1.0). IE5 had the next version (2.0). From then until Version 3.0 you had to have IE5 to install those MSXML versions. From MSXML 3.0 forward the license doesn’t require IE5 for installation.

]]> By: alex http://infrequently.org/2006/10/ie-at-arms-length/comment-page-1/#comment-49941 alex Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:33:39 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=588#comment-49941 Brad, Whether or not your need all those snapshots is kinda your call. I'm a bit lazy in places, but generally I have at <i>least</i> the pristine OS versions and the major browser revs available. Having more snapshots just saves you time when you're in the thick of debugging things. There is some overhead for keeping VMs up to date with your virtualization software, so having too many snapshots can be a pain. I think at a minimum, you should at least have the pristine OS revs stored. It'll at least save you the time to run a full install when the shit hits the fan. Regards Brad,

Whether or not your need all those snapshots is kinda your call. I’m a bit lazy in places, but generally I have at least the pristine OS versions and the major browser revs available. Having more snapshots just saves you time when you’re in the thick of debugging things. There is some overhead for keeping VMs up to date with your virtualization software, so having too many snapshots can be a pain. I think at a minimum, you should at least have the pristine OS revs stored. It’ll at least save you the time to run a full install when the shit hits the fan.

Regards

]]> By: manuel http://infrequently.org/2006/10/ie-at-arms-length/comment-page-1/#comment-49937 manuel Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:29:46 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=588#comment-49937 Damn. I thought <b>I</b> was a browser geek :s Damn. I thought I was a browser geek :s

]]> By: Eric MIraglia http://infrequently.org/2006/10/ie-at-arms-length/comment-page-1/#comment-49918 Eric MIraglia Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:00:59 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=588#comment-49918    

]]> By: Brad Neuberg http://infrequently.org/2006/10/ie-at-arms-length/comment-page-1/#comment-49879 Brad Neuberg Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:11:55 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=588#comment-49879 I am literally in the process of doing this myself; bought a MacBook Pro last week, and I've been setting up my Parallel installs, including an Ubuntu Linux one to test on Linux. I wasn't planning to have as many versions of the VM as you do though; just a Windows XP + SP2 + IE 6, and another one with Windows XP + IE 7. Do you really think it's necessary to have more fine grained versions than that? It was great hanging out with you in Europe at EuroOSCON by the way! Best,   Brad I am literally in the process of doing this myself; bought a MacBook Pro last week, and I’ve been setting up my Parallel installs, including an Ubuntu Linux one to test on Linux. I wasn’t planning to have as many versions of the VM as you do though; just a Windows XP + SP2 + IE 6, and another one with Windows XP + IE 7. Do you really think it’s necessary to have more fine grained versions than that?

It was great hanging out with you in Europe at EuroOSCON by the way!

Best,
  Brad

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