Comments on: Is JavaScript the most successful scripting language ever? http://infrequently.org/2006/02/is-javascript-the-most-successful-script-language-ever/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:30:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jens Alfke http://infrequently.org/2006/02/is-javascript-the-most-successful-script-language-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-387 Jens Alfke Thu, 09 Mar 2006 07:00:33 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=540#comment-387 Interesting question. I know that FORTH has been used a lot in embedded systems over the past 25+ years — it was invented as a telescope control language — so I suspect that there might be a number of ubiquitous devices running FORTH (cars? microwaves? shavers?) that would trump the number of DOS/Windows PCs ever sold. Plus, just on principle you have to honor FORTH for remaining resolutely Old School and not succumbing to ephemeral fads like named local variables or infix notation. Interesting question. I know that FORTH has been used a lot in embedded systems over the past 25+ years — it was invented as a telescope control language — so I suspect that there might be a number of ubiquitous devices running FORTH (cars? microwaves? shavers?) that would trump the number of DOS/Windows PCs ever sold.

Plus, just on principle you have to honor FORTH for remaining resolutely Old School and not succumbing to ephemeral fads like named local variables or infix notation.

]]> By: Jim http://infrequently.org/2006/02/is-javascript-the-most-successful-script-language-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-265 Jim Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:30:12 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=540#comment-265 You can't really count Bash per se, it's a bunch of non-standard extensions to the Bourne shell, which is in the POSIX standards. You can’t really count Bash per se, it’s a bunch of non-standard extensions to the Bourne shell, which is in the POSIX standards.

]]> By: Scott http://infrequently.org/2006/02/is-javascript-the-most-successful-script-language-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-255 Scott Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:04:12 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=540#comment-255 Alex, Well if the definition of "success" is "installed in the most places. Then the DOS batch language, and every autoexec.bat written with it, wins with VBScript a close second I guess. Perl has been around a lot longer than Python, so even though they may both be installed by default on *nix boxes now, that wasn't always the case. I'd still classify Perl as the most successful because my definition of sucess includes not only "most installed", but "most used overall.". Javascript is the first thing you think of when you need to make a web page beep, but Perl is the duct tape holding most systems together. ;) It's all about context. Alex,

Well if the definition of “success” is “installed in the most places. Then the DOS batch language, and every autoexec.bat written with it, wins with VBScript a close second I guess. Perl has been around a lot longer than Python, so even though they may both be installed by default on *nix boxes now, that wasn’t always the case. I’d still classify Perl as the most successful because my definition of sucess includes not only “most installed”, but “most used overall.”. Javascript is the first thing you think of when you need to make a web page beep, but Perl is the duct tape holding most systems together. ;)

It’s all about context.

]]> By: Aaron http://infrequently.org/2006/02/is-javascript-the-most-successful-script-language-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-254 Aaron Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:00:25 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=540#comment-254 Nice topic sentence btw :-) You're improving. Nice topic sentence btw :-) You’re improving.

]]> By: Aaron http://infrequently.org/2006/02/is-javascript-the-most-successful-script-language-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-253 Aaron Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:59:35 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=540#comment-253 Another important measure of the "success" of a language is the diversity of applications it is used for. JavaScript falls far short of bash, Python, and especially Perl in this regard I think. Another important measure of the “success” of a language is the diversity of applications it is used for. JavaScript falls far short of bash, Python, and especially Perl in this regard I think.

]]> By: Mike Ter Louw http://infrequently.org/2006/02/is-javascript-the-most-successful-script-language-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-252 Mike Ter Louw Tue, 21 Feb 2006 02:25:43 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=540#comment-252 I use Perl because I have to. I design heavy front ends because by comparison, JavaScript is an absolute joy. What would be interesting is if there came a day when we could use JS on the back end as well. To get back on topic, I think bash and perl would be considered "more successful", especially considering how much competition they've had in the same space. In that sense, grumpyY! has a point: JavaScript has little competition. You could count Flash and if you're stretching, JScript. Maybe even Java applets (interpreted bytecode, not really a script per se). So if you're asking whether it's most successful on the grounds of it being far and ahead the leader in its domain, and limiting the contest to the most widespread scripting environments, I think you could make a very good case. I use Perl because I have to. I design heavy front ends because by comparison, JavaScript is an absolute joy. What would be interesting is if there came a day when we could use JS on the back end as well.

To get back on topic, I think bash and perl would be considered “more successful”, especially considering how much competition they’ve had in the same space.

In that sense, grumpyY! has a point: JavaScript has little competition. You could count Flash and if you’re stretching, JScript. Maybe even Java applets (interpreted bytecode, not really a script per se).

So if you’re asking whether it’s most successful on the grounds of it being far and ahead the leader in its domain, and limiting the contest to the most widespread scripting environments, I think you could make a very good case.

]]> By: alex http://infrequently.org/2006/02/is-javascript-the-most-successful-script-language-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-249 alex Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:46:04 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=540#comment-249 Scott: Perl may indeed be installed on every Unix box recently built (including all variants of OS X), but Python passes much the same test. However, I have to strongly believe that the sheer number of Win98+ boxen alone would quickly trounce that number. Furthermore, when you consider that adding Acrobat and Firefox adds two more JS interpreters to those boxes, Perl, Python, TCL and Shell seem pretty outclassed in terms of distribution. Regards Scott: Perl may indeed be installed on every Unix box recently built (including all variants of OS X), but Python passes much the same test. However, I have to strongly believe that the sheer number of Win98+ boxen alone would quickly trounce that number. Furthermore, when you consider that adding Acrobat and Firefox adds two more JS interpreters to those boxes, Perl, Python, TCL and Shell seem pretty outclassed in terms of distribution.

Regards

]]> By: alex http://infrequently.org/2006/02/is-javascript-the-most-successful-script-language-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-248 alex Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:42:08 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=540#comment-248 grumpY!: I don't dispute that. What I'm asking is *not* "is JavaScript the best language ever invented and do you like it". What I'm asking instead is "in spite of any warts it may have and despite the utter lack of respect it gets, is JavaScript still more successful than all of it's peers?". Liking it is not apropos. grumpY!: I don’t dispute that. What I’m asking is *not* “is JavaScript the best language ever invented and do you like it”. What I’m asking instead is “in spite of any warts it may have and despite the utter lack of respect it gets, is JavaScript still more successful than all of it’s peers?”.

Liking it is not apropos.

]]> By: grumpY! http://infrequently.org/2006/02/is-javascript-the-most-successful-script-language-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-247 grumpY! Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:34:39 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=540#comment-247 oh come now, we use javascript because we have to. oh come now, we use javascript because we have to.

]]> By: Scott http://infrequently.org/2006/02/is-javascript-the-most-successful-script-language-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-245 Scott Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:55:10 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=540#comment-245 If I were looking at strictly scripting languages, I'd think Perl might be the most successful. There's really no debate about whether or not it's a scripting language. Think about every Linux/Unix server just on the internet. Not all of them are serving pages that contain javascript, but I bet all of them have a Perl script running on them. If I were looking at strictly scripting languages, I’d think Perl might be the most successful. There’s really no debate about whether or not it’s a scripting language. Think about every Linux/Unix server just on the internet. Not all of them are serving pages that contain javascript, but I bet all of them have a Perl script running on them.

]]> By: Koranteng Ofosu-Amaah http://infrequently.org/2006/02/is-javascript-the-most-successful-script-language-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-244 Koranteng Ofosu-Amaah Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:02:16 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=540#comment-244 Per Hixie's take in Google's web authoring statistics which examined 1 billion documents, http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/scripting.html "script tags are used on roughly half of" the web pages in the world. Handwaving a little, I would argue that the web has the greatest corpus of documents we have seen with the widest range of authors. Q.E.D. ? Per Hixie’s take in Google’s web authoring statistics which examined 1 billion documents,

http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/scripting.html

“script tags are used on roughly half of” the web pages in the world.

Handwaving a little, I would argue that the web has the greatest corpus of documents we have seen with the widest range of authors.

Q.E.D. ?

]]> By: Bob Ippolito http://infrequently.org/2006/02/is-javascript-the-most-successful-script-language-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-243 Bob Ippolito Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:44:41 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=540#comment-243 DOS batch files are supported on every DOS, Windows, and probably OS/2 machine. That's gotta beat the UNIX shells, but it's a pretty braindead "language", I'm not sure it qualifies on technical grounds. I can't imagine that JS wins any lines of code wars, it's traditionally so rarely used for anything of significance. Would the C preprocessor count as a scriping language? There's a lot of those :) DOS batch files are supported on every DOS, Windows, and probably OS/2 machine. That’s gotta beat the UNIX shells, but it’s a pretty braindead “language”, I’m not sure it qualifies on technical grounds.

I can’t imagine that JS wins any lines of code wars, it’s traditionally so rarely used for anything of significance. Would the C preprocessor count as a scriping language? There’s a lot of those :)

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