Comments on: How IE7 Can Avoid Irrelevance http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:30:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jake http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-236214 Jake Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:59:19 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-236214 ok I found the debugger, which is just aweful, but free. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2F465BE0-94FD-4569-B3C4-DFFDF19CCD99&displaylang=en ok I found the debugger, which is just aweful, but free.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2F465BE0-94FD-4569-B3C4-DFFDF19CCD99&displaylang=en

]]> By: Jake http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-236213 Jake Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:49:55 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-236213 MS still doesn't seem to understand that following standards (not the one's the made up) would only help them. Every developer I know cringes at the thought of having to 'fix' their code to make it work in IE, when it works just fine in every other browser. Add on to that some of the other 'little' problems MS creates. For example, I'm writing a dojo application, works great in Firefox, but I get a simple error in IE7. Yes I unchecked 'Disable debuggin' but still can't debug. I use the menu to 'Find more add ons' so i can, but that takes me to IE8 add-ons. Am I using IE8?? No. Ok so we'll search for some on google, and when find some they have to be paid for! MS has to change alot if they want to slow their loss of market share. MS still doesn’t seem to understand that following standards (not the one’s the made up) would only help them. Every developer I know cringes at the thought of having to ‘fix’ their code to make it work in IE, when it works just fine in every other browser.

Add on to that some of the other ‘little’ problems MS creates. For example, I’m writing a dojo application, works great in Firefox, but I get a simple error in IE7. Yes I unchecked ‘Disable debuggin’ but still can’t debug. I use the menu to ‘Find more add ons’ so i can, but that takes me to IE8 add-ons. Am I using IE8?? No. Ok so we’ll search for some on google, and when find some they have to be paid for!

MS has to change alot if they want to slow their loss of market share.

]]> By: Sohbet http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-232055 Sohbet Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:57:21 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-232055 What is interesting is the fact that the object creation leakage talked about often seems to be fixed. What is interesting is the fact that the object creation leakage talked about often seems to be fixed.

]]> By: OPML Blogroll widget 1.3 for WordPress adds tooltips -- Chip’s Tips for Developers http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-231984 OPML Blogroll widget 1.3 for WordPress adds tooltips -- Chip’s Tips for Developers Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:49:33 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-231984 [...] having the “currentTarget” property on the Event object in IE really sucks.  You can use “srcElement”, but it isn’t the same element as “currentTarget”.  For instance, if you [...] [...] having the “currentTarget” property on the Event object in IE really sucks.  You can use “srcElement”, but it isn’t the same element as “currentTarget”.  For instance, if you [...]

]]> By: Microsoft’s Internet Explorer Slows Down Web Development — onenaught.com http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-215008 Microsoft’s Internet Explorer Slows Down Web Development — onenaught.com Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:09:39 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-215008 [...] – Alex Russell, How IE7 Can Avoid Irrelevance, January 22nd 2006 [...] [...] – Alex Russell, How IE7 Can Avoid Irrelevance, January 22nd 2006 [...]

]]> By: Internet Explorer 7 Javascript Debugging | JarrodGoddard.com http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-210745 Internet Explorer 7 Javascript Debugging | JarrodGoddard.com Fri, 07 Dec 2007 18:40:56 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-210745 [...] Alex Russell http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536 [...] [...] Alex Russell http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536 [...]

]]> By: stephenwoods.net » IE Sucks…Still http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-174490 stephenwoods.net » IE Sucks…Still Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:52:45 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-174490 [...] Alex writes up the state of the art from microsoft. The word “sucktastic” comes to mind. [...] [...] Alex writes up the state of the art from microsoft. The word “sucktastic” comes to mind. [...]

]]> By: Continuing Intermittent Incoherency » +1.5 Years: Where Are We Now? http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-171111 Continuing Intermittent Incoherency » +1.5 Years: Where Are We Now? Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:39:19 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-171111 [...] I wrote this post well ahead of the release of IE 7, and I’ve been holding back on writing a follow up until things seemed reasonably settled. A year and a half since that post, and almost a year since IE 7 hit the streets, I fear things are more settled than anyone would like. [...] [...] I wrote this post well ahead of the release of IE 7, and I’ve been holding back on writing a follow up until things seemed reasonably settled. A year and a half since that post, and almost a year since IE 7 hit the streets, I fear things are more settled than anyone would like. [...]

]]> By: LongStone http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-165555 LongStone Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:19:35 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-165555 came across this article while trying to find a way of debugging AJAX requests in IE. AJAX request executes but then gives nothing for the onComplete, can't even get an alert there and no errors pitched :-/ No I have to download a 300mb package to debug javascript in IE (VWD, ok I did get the SQL Server debugger too) when firebug is all of 400K? I used to have more patience for IE but now hold it in the same regard as NutScrape 4.* Would rather just see IE die than continue a few more years of half assed measures and pointless grief. Bill should give up the charity work for a year and just focus on making some decent software instead of dysfucntional bloat ware. came across this article while trying to find a way of debugging AJAX requests in IE.

AJAX request executes but then gives nothing for the onComplete, can’t even get an alert there and no errors pitched :-/
No I have to download a 300mb package to debug javascript in IE (VWD, ok I did get the SQL Server debugger too) when firebug is all of 400K?

I used to have more patience for IE but now hold it in the same regard as NutScrape 4.*

Would rather just see IE die than continue a few more years of half assed measures and pointless grief.

Bill should give up the charity work for a year and just focus on making some decent software instead of dysfucntional bloat ware.

]]> By: mel http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-156164 mel Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:01:10 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-156164 Standards and more standards.  I say they need a whole rewrite.  They claim they fixed transparency . . .  Now all my websites need to have a specialized css and js file for ie6 and ie7 hacks. Standards and more standards.  I say they need a whole rewrite.  They claim they fixed transparency . . .  Now all my websites need to have a specialized css and js file for ie6 and ie7 hacks.

]]> By: owusu http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-149575 owusu Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:18:05 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-149575 Of a truth, microsoft IE development team should sit up and take those burdens off our shoulders. Of a truth, microsoft IE development team should sit up and take those burdens off our shoulders.

]]> By: dojo.foo » dojo.query: A CSS Query Engine For Dojo http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-77392 dojo.foo » dojo.query: A CSS Query Engine For Dojo Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:11:58 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-77392 [...] Of course, the 80% browser doesn’t support XPath, but I’m personally over losing sleep to Microsoft’s bad engineering and management decisions. If the IE team decides to get with the program and give us a good query engine, we’ll use it. Until then, they get best effort. Their browser only deserves to look as good (or bad) as it really is, after all. [...] [...] Of course, the 80% browser doesn’t support XPath, but I’m personally over losing sleep to Microsoft’s bad engineering and management decisions. If the IE team decides to get with the program and give us a good query engine, we’ll use it. Until then, they get best effort. Their browser only deserves to look as good (or bad) as it really is, after all. [...]

]]> By: Chris Phillips http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-74859 Chris Phillips Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:23:49 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-74859 I agree that IE should be fully compliant with CSS2 & DOM 1,2,3 etc. And IE's event model just sucks. I'm haveing to do eval to get around some IE bugs. for example in IE you can't call < scr ipt > var str = 'onclick; element.setAttribute(str,myFunct) </ scr ipt > instead I have to eval('element.'+str+'=function() {'+myFunct+'}') Also I hate how when writing a function to get text of a node that IE uses one reference for XML DOM and a different one for HTML DOM (element.text vs. element.innerText. The standard element.textContent is not supported by IE. Those things aside - I really hate how Opera, FireFox, Mozilla and non-IE browsers make nodes out of #text when it is just a \n or some whitespace - grrrr. I agree that IE should be fully compliant with CSS2 & DOM 1,2,3 etc. And IE’s event model just sucks. I’m haveing to do eval to get around some IE bugs. for example in IE you can’t call < scr ipt > var str = ‘onclick; element.setAttribute(str,myFunct) </ scr ipt > instead I have to eval(‘element.’+str+’=function() {‘+myFunct+’}')
Also I hate how when writing a function to get text of a node that IE uses one reference for XML DOM and a different one for HTML DOM (element.text vs. element.innerText. The standard element.textContent is not supported by IE.
Those things aside – I really hate how Opera, FireFox, Mozilla and non-IE browsers make nodes out of #text when it is just a \n or some whitespace – grrrr.

]]> By: Ray Hauge http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-70711 Ray Hauge Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:43:17 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-70711 I would LOVE it if IE would support setAttribute correctly.  I'm working on a projct now that uses setAttribute to define onmousedown and onmouseup for dragging and dropping.  My code is now broken in IE, because of the inability of IE to setAttribute for events.  Even worse is that IE7 doesn't even report an error. I would LOVE it if IE would support setAttribute correctly.  I’m working on a projct now that uses setAttribute to define onmousedown and onmouseup for dragging and dropping.  My code is now broken in IE, because of the inability of IE to setAttribute for events.  Even worse is that IE7 doesn’t even report an error.

]]> By: IE7 JavaScript Improvements - The Web Standards Project http://infrequently.org/2006/01/how-ie7-can-avoid-irrelevance/comment-page-1/#comment-45888 IE7 JavaScript Improvements - The Web Standards Project Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:09:48 +0000 http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=536#comment-45888 [...] In fact many demos of qooxdoo run much faster now in IE7 compared to IE6. And they are even faster than in Firefox 1.5 in many cases. This is a huge jump in performance. Microsoft did not tell about their exact modifications, of course. Anyway, they have fixed the major problem of large JavaScript-based web applications. This problem, despite having a catchy name, was mentioned many times before like here, here and there: If you have many objects created, which are simply accessible in the current scope, all methods and features of JavaScript slow down dramatically. [...] [...] In fact many demos of qooxdoo run much faster now in IE7 compared to IE6. And they are even faster than in Firefox 1.5 in many cases. This is a huge jump in performance. Microsoft did not tell about their exact modifications, of course. Anyway, they have fixed the major problem of large JavaScript-based web applications. This problem, despite having a catchy name, was mentioned many times before like here, here and there: If you have many objects created, which are simply accessible in the current scope, all methods and features of JavaScript slow down dramatically. [...]

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